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Software Crafts Podcast

Sep 29, 2020

In this episode, Lisa Crispin shares her experiences with the pattern “Delayed Automation” from the Cloud Native Patterns repository ( We discuss the different trade-offs of applying it, based on different contexts. I also ask a long-time question: What can we learn from donkeys? If you are curious why, donkeys are Lisa’s brand!

Lisa recommends:

  • Quality Coaching Roadshow podcast from Anne-Marie Charrett
  • Accelerate book from Nicole Forsgren, Jez Humble and Gene Kim
  • Leading Quality book from Ronald Cummings-John and Owais Peer

Lisa Crispin (@lisacrispin) is the co-author, with Janet Gregory, of three books: Agile Testing Condensed: A Brief Introduction, More Agile Testing: Learning Journeys for the Whole Team, Agile Testing: A Practical Guide for Testers and Agile Teams; the LiveLessons Agile Testing Essentials video course, and “The Whole Team Approach to Agile Testing” 3-day training course offered through the Agile Testing Fellowship. Lisa was voted by her peers as the Most Influential Agile Testing Professional Person at Agile Testing Days in 2012. She is co-founder with Janet of Agile Testing Fellowship, Inc.  Please visit,, and for more. Lisa is currently a Fellow Quality Owner at OutSystems, helping with the observability practice.